Reply-To: "End Time Issues" From: "End Time Issues" To: "James @ Prophetic Network" Bcc: "Mercy" , "Anton Vorster" , "Agrippa Damba \(Uctel\)" , "AJ Coetzee" , "Akhish Baidya" , "Alexander Venter" , "Andre and Lois Coetzee" , "Andre Sharpe" , "Andrew Brodie" , "Andrew Timm" , "Angelo Kehayas" , "Annith Botha" , "Barclay Goff" , "Blossom" , "C J Bothma" , "Carol Orfer" , "Chenaniah" , "Cindy Janse Van Vuuren" , "Clive Randall" , "Daniel Showalter" , "David Jordaan" , "David Scott" , "Dirk Joubert" , "Elisabeth Boshoff" , "Eric Foxcroft" , "Ettienne Du Preez" , "Eugene Pretorius" , "Eustace Harris" , "Felicity Swart" , "Frik De Jager" , "Gill Jervois" <065ruth@cosmos.wits.ac.za>, "Glenn Coopman" , "Gordon Ross" , "Harold Stewart" , "Henry Ragusin \(h\)" , "Iain Peters" , "Ian Templeton" , "Indira Pillay" , "Ingrid Robertson" , "Isaac Aluochier \(S of Y\)" , "Ish Hariparsad" , "Israel C.S. Lim" , "Jane Stuart" , "Jeffrey White" , "Jof Nelson" , "Johan Pretorius \(Home\)" , "Johan Roos" , "Johan Sturm" , "Johanna Mans" , "John Edmeston" , "John Paige" , "Jorge Maia" , "Joy Magazine" , , "Krystelle c/o Webmaster" , "Larry Smith" , "Leatitia Hayes" , "Lee Anne Lee" , "Malcolm Bosman" , "Mannie Pereira" <4him@ebenezer.co.za>, "Margaretha Tierney" , "Marie Rafferty" , "Marietjie Nell" , "Mark de Connick" , "Matthias Simenti AOG Malawi" , "Mervyn Mooi" , "Michael West" , "Monica Brits" , "Neville Homann" , "Nigel Andrews" , "Norman Bosman" , "Norman Fouche" , "Patrick James" , "Paul Bosman" , "Paul Grutter" , "Prof J E Botha" , "Professor Christina Landman" , "Prv24_6_Counsel" , , "Richard Marshall" , "Rita " , "Roy Saunders" , "S John Butt" , "Sandra Trombas" , "Scott Ledbetter" , "Shelley Senner" , "Trudy Buchholtz" , "Wayne Perrel" , "Wouter vd Heever" , "Ron Tyler \(New\)" , "Justin Lippiatt" References: Subject: [ETI Main] Of Evangelism to other denominations and faiths, of marriage across denominational boundaries, of God's truth and a better way Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 11:17:03 +0200 Organization: End Time Issue Ministries MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0155_01C09740.D2BA4DE0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0155_01C09740.D2BA4DE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Greetings in the Name of the Lord Jesus Christ (Yahshua Messiah) This morning I felt impressed to write to a dear brother in Christ who = for over two years has been wrestling with the decision whether or not = to marry a lovely Catholic girl. They are wonderfully suited to one another BUT He was determined to = share his Pentecostal, Charismatic Christianity with her and she could = not receive all that he felt that she needed to receive. Sadly, a few = months ago, the relationship ended. Yesterday, I received a mail which contained the words "I continue to = try to minister to her in my own amateurish way" which leapt off the = page at me. This morning, I felt impressed to write to him. As I wrote, I realized that this mail spoke not only about two lovely = children of God who were missing one another but it spoke volumes about = all those beloved of the LORD in all denominations, tribes and tongues = across the world who are missing one another. I feel impressed to share = this with you. May Yahweh bless you and keep you and make His Face to shine upon you in = the Name of the Lord Yahshua Messiah, King of king's and Lord of lord's. James Robertson END TIME ISSUE MINISTRIES james@end-time-issues.org.za (0027)-(0)-11-791-2327 (0027)-(0)-83-251-6644 P O Box 898, Randpark Ridge, 2156, Republic of South Africa EMAIL ADMINISTRATION Please forward this to anyone else you feel might be interested. If you do not want to receive further mail on this and related topics, = please reply to this mail with the words "Please remove me from your = mailing list" in the subject line. If this is forwarded to you and you want to receive future mailings, = please mail us with the words "Please add me to your mailing list" in = the subject line. >>>> THE MESSAGE FOLLOWS <<<< Hi ..... You wrote regarding ....... "I continue to try to minister to her in my = own amateurish way". May I presume to offer some suggestions? (smile) What follows builds on what is contained in the mail on Truth the Way to = Unity. It also builds on a few others but this is the most pertinent. The mail on the bridge to the Jews may also have some relevant context. This thinking in turn builds on various experiences where Yahweh has = permitted me to meet others from other faiths and denominations who He = has shown me to have deep personal relationships with Yahshua (Jesus) = but not to know His name. This has included a Moslem, a Hindu and a = Buddhist as well as someone from another Indian grouping! I don't want = to get into a doctrinal debate on this right now other than to remind = you of John 10:16 where Jesus says "And other sheep I have which are not = of this fold; them also I must bring, and they will hear My voice; and = there will be one flock and one shepherd." (NKJ) There are those who believe that this indicates other groupings in the = world who are not of Israel and there are well documented reports of a = man who fits the description of Jesus Christ who appeared to the Aztecs = at a time which corresponds to the date of the above statement! They = know Him as Questa Co'otil (not sure of the spelling). There are also reports of Jesus appearing in a vision to 30 Tibetan = Buddhist monks and planting a church in an area where to be a Christian = was to sign your own death warrant! Also reports of missionaries arriving in out of the way places only to = be met by people who said that God had told them to expect them! Taking this as a starting point to flush buffers and review assumptions = to use some technospeak for a moment (smile), allow me to take a few = minutes to develop a train of thought. What God has been showing me is that in every religious grouping, in = every nation, in fact in every person, there is a "pearl of great price" = that gem of God's truth that has been preserved amongst all the = deception, witchcraft, etc that Satan has sown in the wheat field. IF one can determine what that truth is and sensitively build on it, one = can lead almost anyone to salvation - it really is awesome. Consider the message of Paul at the Areopagus in Acts 17:16-34 16 Now while Paul waited for them at Athens, his spirit was provoked = within him when he saw that the city was given over to idols. 17 Therefore he reasoned in the synagogue with the Jews and with the = Gentile worshipers, and in the marketplace daily with those who happened = to be there. 18 Then certain Epicurean and Stoic philosophers encountered him. And = some said, "What does this babbler want to say?" Others said, "He seems = to be a proclaimer of foreign gods," because he preached to them Jesus = and the resurrection. 19 And they took him and brought him to the Areopagus, saying, "May we = know what this new doctrine is of which you speak? 20 "For you are bringing some strange things to our ears. Therefore we = want to know what these things mean." 21 For all the Athenians and the foreigners who were there spent their = time in nothing else but either to tell or to hear some new thing. 22 Then Paul stood in the midst of the Areopagus and said, "Men of = Athens, I perceive that in all things you are very religious; 23 "for as I was passing through and considering the objects of your = worship, I even found an altar with this inscription: TO THE UNKNOWN = GOD. Therefore, the One whom you worship without knowing, Him I proclaim = to you: 24 "God, who made the world and everything in it, since He is Lord of = heaven and earth, does not dwell in temples made with hands. 25 "Nor is He worshiped with men's hands, as though He needed anything, = since He gives to all life, breath, and all things. 26 "And He has made from one blood every nation of men to dwell on all = the face of the earth, and has determined their preappointed times and = the boundaries of their dwellings, 27 "so that they should seek the Lord, in the hope that they might grope = for Him and find Him, though He is not far from each one of us; 28 "for in Him we live and move and have our being, as also some of your = own poets have said, 'For we are also His offspring.' 29 "Therefore, since we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think = that the Divine Nature is like gold or silver or stone, something shaped = by art and man's devising. 30 "Truly, these times of ignorance God overlooked, but now commands all = men everywhere to repent, 31 "because He has appointed a day on which He will judge the world in = righteousness by the Man whom He has ordained. He has given assurance of = this to all by raising Him from the dead." 32 And when they heard of the resurrection of the dead, some mocked, = while others said, "We will hear you again on this matter." 33 So Paul departed from among them. 34 However, some men joined him and believed, among them Dionysius the = Areopagite, a woman named Damaris, and others with them. (NKJ) There are some important lessons from this passage, perhaps the most = noteworthy being that Paul, having seen the altar to the unknown God, = used that to open the door to preach Jesus. The rest of the message = also builds on that which was available to be received about God. Also = notice that even though "his spirit was provoked", he did not condemn. Interestingly, it is reported that the altar to an Unknown God related = to a plague centuries before where a prophet from afar came and offered = a sin sacrifice to an unknown God on the basis that they had heard that = there was such a God and that He could heal the plague. That God indeed = healed the plague! Refer the book "Eternity in Their Hearts" for more details. Bringing that closer to home. It is also important to understand that = EVERY GROUP has custody of some truth which has been lost by virtually = every other group either permanently or at some time in history. That = truth may not be apparent and it may not seem immediately relevant. HOWEVER, what Satan has done is to cause each group to become proud of = the truths over which they have custody and thereby to regard the truths = over which others have custody as either irrelevant or wrong. Water = Baptism by immersion is one of the most obvious examples. The true = (Saturday) Sabbath is another. There are some groups who are so = passionate about those truths that they regard anyone who does not share = that truth as a heretic destined for hell. Those who do not have a = revelation of that truth, in turn, regard those who are so passionate as = either totally eccentric and irrational or as heretics themselves. This is how Satan has divided the Body of Christ very successfully for = nearly 2,000 years. Because the reality is that the only perfect man who has ever lived is = Jesus Christ, it is ALWAYS possible to find fault with what any person = on earth believes. If one has a deep revelation of a particular truth = then it is very easy to condemn those who do not have that revelation, = particularly if one has been persecuted for that revelation. So we see that many Baptists regard tongues as being "of the Devil" and = so we go. This is compounded because, many times, Satan has counterfeited things, = like tongues and many tongues ARE from the devil. So people see a = demonic manifestation, conclude that all such tongues are of the devil = and the next thing they are condemning their brothers and sisters in = Christ and grievously hurting our precious Saviour! This is why we are told in Matthew 7:1-5 (and Luke 6:37) 1 "Judge not, that you be not judged. 2 "For with what judgment you judge, you will be judged; and with the = measure you use, it will be measured back to you. 3 "And why do you look at the speck in your brother's eye, but do not = consider the plank in your own eye? 4 "Or how can you say to your brother, 'Let me remove the speck from = your eye'; and look, a plank is in your own eye? 5 "Hypocrite! First remove the plank from your own eye, and then you = will see clearly to remove the speck out of your brother's eye. (NKJ) What makes this more difficult, is that we often do not recognize our = brothers in Christ because of the factors mentioned above. 1 Corinthians 13:4-8 tells us: 4 Love suffers long and is kind; love does not envy; love does not = parade itself, is not puffed up; 5 does not behave rudely, does not seek its own, is not provoked, thinks = no evil; 6 does not rejoice in iniquity, but rejoices in the truth; 7 bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all = things. 8 Love never fails. .... (NKJ) In the Amplified, verse 7 is translated to say ".... is ever ready to = believe the best of every person ...." Taking these scriptures in the context of the earlier remarks, I am = constantly enjoined by the Spirit to seek the truth that any person has = and to build on that rather than to see the error that they have and = tear down with that. There is good in every person and God will build with whatever good that = there is. Satan, the accuser of the brethren, will on the other hand, = look for areas of difference, error, sin, etc, and judge and condemn and = cast out. Where is this leading us? One of the biggest challenges facing the church today, probably the = biggest, is to see ALL denominations reconciled into a SINGLE BODY! Having said that, it is important to recognize that Revelation 2 and 3 = defines seven different church personalities and it does seem to me that = those seven will endure to the end BUT, those who overcome will NOT be = part of any specific one of the seven AND many will not be part of the = remnant at all. Thus the challenge persists BUT we have to remember = that it is God who judges, NOT man, in terms of who is a member of the = Body of Christ and who is not. Thus we find that since there has been and remains so much error in the = Roman Catholic church, dating back to the Counsel of Trent in about 315 = AD, that there are enormous differences between those of Catholic = heritage and those of Protestant. I hardly need to tell you that = (smile). BUT, this IS leading to a solution which I profoundly believe WILL work = since if we do it God's way and NOT our own "amateurish" (smile) way, = success is inevitable! Part of the answer is contained in 1 Corinthians 12:3 3 Therefore I make known to you that no one speaking by the Spirit of = God calls Jesus accursed, and no one can say that Jesus is Lord except = by the Holy Spirit. (NKJ) Mark 9:38-40 38 Now John answered Him, saying, "Teacher, we saw someone who does not = follow us casting out demons in Your name, and we forbade him because he = does not follow us." 39 But Jesus said, "Do not forbid him, for no one who works a miracle in = My name can soon afterward speak evil of Me. 40 "For he who is not against us is on our side. (NKJ) From this it can be concluded that anyone who has a relationship with = Jesus and recognizes His Name, is part of the Body! HOWEVER, things get complicated just now (smile). As pointed out in a number of previous mails, Jesus was a Jew. Jesus is the Anglicization of the Greek word Iesous (ee-ay-sooce') = (2424) which Strong defines as follows "of Hebrew origin [3091]; Jesus = (i.e. Jehoshua), the name of our Lord and two (three) other Israelites: = KJV-- Jesus. Thayer defines 2424 Iesous- :=20 Jesus =3D "Jehovah (Yahweh) is salvation"=20 1) Joshua was the famous captain of the Israelites, Moses' successor=20 2) Jesus, son of Eliezer, one of the ancestors of Christ=20 3) Jesus, the Son of God, the Savior of mankind, God incarnate=20 4) Jesus Barabbas was the captive robber whom the Jews begged Pilate to = release instead of Jesus Christ=20 5) Jesus, surnamed Justus, a Jewish Christian, an associate with Paul in = the preaching of the gospel Those who have searched out the true Hebrew / Aramaic spelling and = Anglicization of the name they think was actually applied to Jesus = (remember, the oldest manuscripts are about 500 years after His death) = think that the correct Anglicization based on sounds, etc is either = Yahshua, Yehshua, of half a dozen other derivatives - I have recently = started using Yahshua after praying for two years prior to moving away = from Jesus, remembering that the LORD GOD, the Father's true name is = Yahweh (or YHWH if you prefer). What is important here is that if one is Greek then "Iesous" may have = some relevance BUT, if Yahshua's name is, indeed Yahshua and not some of = the other derivatives, in other words, it is NOT the same word as Thayer = and many others allege as is used for others in scripture but that it = WAS, in fact a derivative of Yahweh (the Fathers name) a seemingly = semantic point which was possibly not even evident when the name was = spoken, only when it was written, then the gap between Yahshua and = Yeshua, Iesous, Jesus, etc is the gap between heaven and earth!! Why is this important? IN THE CONTEXT OF THIS DISCOURSE I BELIEVE IT MAY BE CRITICAL! Since we can see clearly that Jesus is not in any meaningful way an = accurate Anglicization of Yahshua's real name, then it CAN (and is) be = argued that the man we call Jesus Christ CANNOT POSSIBLY be the Messiah = of Israel!! The consequence of this conclusion is that GOD HAS EXTENDED ENORMOUS = GRACE TO US IN OUR IGNORANCE!! This being the case, how much more must we extend grace to those who = cannot believe that Jesus Christ can be the Messiah? Technically, we = have just seen that they are PERFECTLY CORRECT, we are only able to = appropriate and use a name which in no way approximates His real name, = in the same way that we use "the LORD" instead of Yahweh, because of the = ABUNDANT MERCY AND GRACE OF GOD!! It seems to me that many may not consciously be aware of this truth BUT, = in their hearts they are. At the same time, most Jews and most Moslems = ARE AWARE OF THIS - they know that Messiah will never be a Greek and = they know that Yahweh will never call His Messiah a Greek name! Note = that Allah is Arabic for God. There may be an idol in Mecca but NOT all = Moslems worship the idol! Where does this leave us with the case in point? Well, as I see it, you, as a Pentecostal / Charismatic believer in the = man you know as the Lord Jesus Christ, have a large amount of truth = regarding various aspects of who He is and what He has commanded. And = you believe passionately in those truths (smile). Ipso facto in terms = of what I have said above, you also have an enormous amount of error - = NOT because there is anything wrong with you or with your church or your = family or your pastor or anything, simply because that is the state of = play today. By my estimate today, a really devout believer may have = about 1% of all of God's truth and most probably have a minute fraction = of 1%, it may be the fraction that will get them to heaven but it is = unlikely to get them much beyond the outer darkness and is certainly = unlikely to get them to a high throne. (if you have not read the Final = Quest by Rick Joyner from cover to cover, you need to do so as a matter = of extreme urgency - I would go so far as to say that if you read no = other book this year READ THAT ONE!) Consequently, the other party in this situation, also probably has about = some small fraction of 1%. Notwithstanding this, most believers, if asked, would probably rate = themselves a lot higher than the above ratings, simply because we do not = know what we do not know. Take the example of the other sheep folds = used above. There are groups who have researched this and written = considerable volumes on it. Assuming those volumes contain some truth = on the subject, one could spend days just seeking to read what has been = written and years seeking to sift out a meaningful understanding of THAT = ONE VERSE! And there are a lot of verses in the Bible! And the Jews = maintain that every verse has SEVENTY FACETS! And there are many who = maintain there are books missing! So, my fraction of a percent starts to look very optimistic. Notwithstanding, there is a VERY SMALL portion of the Bible which really = dictates the outcome in terms of eternal salvation or eternal damnation = BUT it is lost in the other stuff. Most are so busy fighting about = tongues, immersion, other sheep folds, "priest" vs "father" vs "pastor" = vs "reverend" vs none of the above, etc, etc, etc that they lose sight = of the core message. AND they allow these things to divide the Body! And then, because most don't know consciously that He cannot be actually = called Jesus Christ but must be some derivative of Yahshua Messiah, they = get into strife there if nothing else can be found to divide! IT REALLY IS A MIRACLE IF ANYONE IS GETTING TO HEAVEN AT THIS TIME! = THAT IS THE GRACE OF GOD PAR EXCELLENCE! (smile) To return to the case in point. The Holy Spirit has, in recent weeks, = been opening my eyes to see a little of the truths that the Catholic = believers have. I don't have a clear revelation but, perhaps, if you = take what is written in this mail to heart and apply it, you may be able = to report back to me in days to come (smile) What He has shown me is a profound revelation of laying down one's life = in prayer and intercession for others, a profound revelation of dying to = self and counting self as of no consequence, a profound revelation of = "come ye apart and be separate" and a profound revelation of self = abasement and humility. I don't say that ALL Catholics have this revelation and I don't say that = this is the only revelation they have. He has also shown me Catholic people who at the age of five or seven = made profound commitments to Jesus while praying, sometimes holding a = candle AND He has permitted me on several occasions to experience His = deep love and compassion for those people. All that I have been = privileged to meet have been severely beaten up by Satan BECAUSE they = made a deep and enduring commitment to Jesus but were so woefully = ignorant of the rest of scripture BECAUSE they were denied the right to = read the Bible for themselves, etc, etc that Satan has taken them apart. I have recently ministered over the internet to two women in the USA who = in the Catholic faith made really deep commitments to Jesus at an early = age and then were taken apart by Satan for decades, one into = prostitution, raped, abused, etc for decades, the other into Satanism, = etc. BUT at the end, Yahshua has been faithful and preserved them and = brought them to a place where they may have a deeper knowledge of him. = Both are still deeply wounded and one recently gave up the battle and = lost her salvation. It IS TRAGIC but it also provides an object lesson = in how deeply many Catholics, lost in a deep pit of darkness and = deception, have clung to one of the few truths that REALLY MATTER, = "their Jesus"! And THAT IS BEAUTIFUL! BUT don't tell them they have to be "born again", "baptized in water", = etc, etc - they have been fed all sorts of lies and somehow, deep = within, many of them know that they know that they know that they have a = personal relationship with the Living God and His Son Jesus and they are = QUITE CORRECT! Also, don't tell them about all the wrong things the = Catholic Church has done over the centuries, or that the "Pope is the = Beast", etc, etc - that is the bad news of Satan, NOT the Gospel of God. = So, when a well meaning Pentecostal Christian tells them that they are = not saved, there is something within them that tells them NOT SO!! with = great passion and great conviction. We have to recognize that "born again" is a spiritual state, it is NOT = an academic label. Just because someone does not accept the label or = even the description "born again" in this age, it does not mean that = they have not at some time had an experience that has resulted in = Yahshua the Messiah, a God whose name they may not know nor be able to = articulate, coming to dwell within them. In fact, they may well have a = much deeper personal relationship with and knowledge of the Saviour than = the person who is debating semantics regarding being "born again" etc = but whose life does not attest of a deep personal knowledge of, and = relationship with, the Lord of lord's and King of king's! It is an immense challenge, but, if you want to move away from "I = continue to try to minister to her in my own amateurish way" to reaching = her heart and finding the common love that you both have for the = Saviour, please consider what is presented above! By the Spirit I must say to you that two years ago when we stayed with = you, I saw in ..... a depth of understanding of certain things I said = that entirely escaped you! I don't mean to be offensive, only to tell = you truth. She has a depth of spiritual understanding and an intimate = relationship with Him on a dimension and plane that most will not = understand. She may not consider herself to be "born again" according = to your understanding, but I testify to you today by the Spirit of the = Living God that SHE IS! She also loves you deeply in a way that you will find few woman to love = you and you do yourself and her a grave injustice by not finding the = common ground that Yahweh has preserved between the two of you. He = showed me clearly when we visited with you that He had brought the two = of you together, but He also showed me that you had much to learn before = that would come to pass. I leave you with this parting thought. Will you humble yourself and = repent of trying to convert her to your Jesus and ask her forgiveness = and seek to know the Jesus that SHE knows and, as you learn to open = herself to her truths, will you learn to let go of that which you have = which is not of Him and come to a place where she can receive from you? = That you may share the many truths which you DO have which she lacks! Above all things, remember Ephesians 5:25 "Husbands, love your wives, = just as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself for her," (NKJ) This is a PROFOUND injunction to every man who calls himself by the name = of Christ. Yahshua does not screen us before we come to Him, He accepts = us as we are and then He gently leads us to the place where the = disciplining of the Father and the comforting and counseling of the Holy = Spirit draw us ever closer to Him IF we will seek Him! So must it be = with our wives! There is no such thing as an unsuitable wife, there is only a wife who = is a believer and appointed by Yahweh and a wife who is an unbeliever or = not appointed by Yahweh. There is only one question that every man must obtain an answer to when = contemplating marriage -- "Is it the will of my Father in Heaven?" = There is NO OTHER question that has any relevance whatsoever! That was = the ONLY question that Ingrid and I had to answer! It is the only = question that you and ..... have to answer. If the answer to that question is YES, then DO IT! And THEN, the set of teachings, "God's Plan for Healing Marriage in the = Seventh Millennium" contain all that you need to know to experience = Heaven on Earth in Marriage! They are available in the USA if you need = a set. God bless brother and MUCH LOVE! For we are all one Body in Christ Jesus! James ------=_NextPart_000_0155_01C09740.D2BA4DE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Greetings in the Name of the Lord = Jesus=20 Christ (Yahshua Messiah)
 
This morning I felt impressed to = write to a=20 dear brother in Christ who for over two years has been wrestling with = the=20 decision whether or not to marry a lovely Catholic girl.
 
They are wonderfully suited = to one=20 another BUT He was determined to share his Pentecostal, Charismatic = Christianity=20 with her and she could not receive all that he felt that she needed to=20 receive.  Sadly, a few months ago, the relationship = ended.
 
Yesterday, I received a mail which = contained the words "I continue to = try to=20 minister to her in my own amateurish way" which leapt off the page at = me. =20 This morning, I felt impressed to write to him.
 
As I wrote, I=20 realized that this mail spoke not only about two lovely children of God = who were=20 missing one another but it spoke volumes about all those beloved of the = LORD in=20 all denominations, tribes and tongues across the world who are missing = one=20 another.  I feel impressed to share this with = you.
 
May Yahweh=20 bless you and keep you and make His Face to shine upon you in the Name = of the=20 Lord Yahshua Messiah, King of king's and Lord of = lord's.
 
James=20 Robertson
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Hi .....
 
You wrote regarding=20 ....... "I continue to try = to=20 minister to her in my own amateurish way".
 
May I presume to offer some = suggestions?=20 (smile)
 
What follows builds on what is = contained in=20 the mail on Truth the Way to Unity.  It also builds on a few others = but=20 this is the most pertinent.
 
The mail on the bridge to the Jews = may also=20 have some relevant context.
 
This thinking in turn builds on = various=20 experiences where Yahweh has permitted me to meet others from other = faiths and=20 denominations who He has shown me to have deep personal relationships = with=20 Yahshua (Jesus) but not to know His name.  This has included a = Moslem, a=20 Hindu and a Buddhist as well as someone from another Indian = grouping!  I=20 don't want to get into a doctrinal debate on this right now other than = to remind=20 you of John 10:16 where Jesus says "And other sheep I have which are not of this = fold;=20 them also I must bring, and they will hear My voice; and there will be = one flock=20 and one shepherd." (NKJ)
 
There are those who believe that = this=20 indicates other groupings in the world who are not of Israel and there = are well=20 documented reports of a man who fits the description of Jesus Christ who = appeared to the Aztecs at a time which corresponds to the date of the = above=20 statement!  They know Him as Questa Co'otil (not sure of the=20 spelling).
 
There are also reports of Jesus = appearing in=20 a vision to 30 Tibetan Buddhist monks and planting a church in an area = where to=20 be a Christian was to sign your own death warrant!
 
Also reports of missionaries = arriving in out=20 of the way places only to be met by people who said that God had told = them to=20 expect them!
 
Taking this as a starting point to = flush=20 buffers and review assumptions to use some technospeak for a moment = (smile),=20 allow me to take a few minutes to develop a train of = thought.
 
What God has been showing me is = that in=20 every religious grouping, in every nation, in fact in every person, = there is a=20 "pearl of great price" that gem of God's truth that has been preserved = amongst=20 all the deception, witchcraft, etc that Satan has sown in the wheat=20 field.
 
IF = one can=20 determine what that truth is and sensitively build on it, one can lead = almost=20 anyone to salvation - it really is awesome.
 
Consider the message of Paul at = the=20 Areopagus in Acts 17:16-34
16 Now while Paul waited for them = at=20 Athens, his spirit was provoked within him when he saw that the city was = given=20 over to idols.
17 Therefore he reasoned in the synagogue with = the Jews=20 and with the Gentile worshipers, and in the marketplace daily with those = who=20 happened to be there.
18 Then certain Epicurean and Stoic = philosophers=20 encountered him. And some said, "What does this babbler want to say?" = Others=20 said, "He seems to be a proclaimer of foreign gods," because he preached = to them=20 Jesus and the resurrection.
19 And they took him and brought him = to the=20 Areopagus, saying, "May we know what this new doctrine is of which you=20 speak?
20 "For you are bringing some strange things to our ears. = Therefore we want to know what these things mean."
21 For all = the=20 Athenians and the foreigners who were there spent their time in nothing = else but=20 either to tell or to hear some new thing.
22 Then Paul stood in = the=20 midst of the Areopagus and said, "Men of Athens, I perceive that in all = things=20 you are very religious;
23 "for as I was passing through and = considering=20 the objects of your worship, I even found an altar with this = inscription: TO THE=20 UNKNOWN GOD. Therefore, the One whom you worship without knowing, Him I = proclaim=20 to you:
24 "God, who made the world and everything in it, since = He is=20 Lord of heaven and earth, does not dwell in temples made with=20 hands.
25 "Nor is He worshiped with men's hands, as though He = needed=20 anything, since He gives to all life, breath, and all = things.
26 "And He=20 has made from one blood every nation of men to dwell on all the face of = the=20 earth, and has determined their preappointed times and the boundaries of = their=20 dwellings,
27 "so that they should seek the Lord, in the hope = that they=20 might grope for Him and find Him, though He is not far from each one of=20 us;
28 "for in Him we live and move and have our being, as also = some of=20 your own poets have said, 'For we are also His=20 offspring.'
29 "Therefore, since we are the offspring of God, we = ought=20 not to think that the Divine Nature is like gold or silver or stone, = something=20 shaped by art and man's devising.
30 "Truly, these times of = ignorance=20 God overlooked, but now commands all men everywhere to=20 repent,
31 "because He has appointed a day on which He will = judge the=20 world in righteousness by the Man whom He has ordained. He has given = assurance=20 of this to all by raising Him from the dead."
32 And when they = heard of=20 the resurrection of the dead, some mocked, while others said, "We will = hear you=20 again on this matter."
33 So Paul departed from among=20 them.
34 However, some men joined him and believed, among them = Dionysius=20 the Areopagite, a woman named Damaris, and others with them.=20 (NKJ)
 
There are some important lessons = from this=20 passage, perhaps the most noteworthy being that Paul, having seen the = altar to=20 the unknown God, used that to open the door to preach Jesus.  The = rest of=20 the message also builds on that which was available to be received about = God.  Also notice that even though "his spirit was = provoked", he=20 did not condemn.
 
Interestingly, it is reported that = the altar=20 to an Unknown God related to a plague centuries before where a prophet = from afar=20 came and offered a sin sacrifice to an unknown God on the basis that = they had=20 heard that there was such a God and that He could heal the plague.  = That=20 God indeed healed the plague!
 
Refer the book "Eternity in Their = Hearts"=20 for more details.
 
Bringing that closer to = home.  It is=20 also important to understand that EVERY GROUP has custody of some truth = which=20 has been lost by virtually every other group either permanently or at = some time=20 in history.  That truth may not be apparent and it may not seem = immediately=20 relevant.
 
HOWEVER, what Satan has done is to = cause=20 each group to become proud of the truths over which they have custody = and=20 thereby to regard the truths over which others have custody as either = irrelevant=20 or wrong.  Water Baptism by immersion is one of the most obvious=20 examples.  The true (Saturday) Sabbath is another.  There are = some=20 groups who are so passionate about those truths that they regard anyone = who does=20 not share that truth as a heretic destined for hell.  Those who do = not have=20 a revelation of that truth, in turn, regard those who are so passionate = as=20 either totally eccentric and irrational or as heretics = themselves.
 
This = is how=20 Satan has divided the Body of Christ very successfully for nearly 2,000=20 years.
 
Because the reality is that the = only perfect=20 man who has ever lived is Jesus Christ, it is ALWAYS possible to find = fault with=20 what any person on earth believes.  If one has a deep revelation of = a=20 particular truth then it is very easy to condemn those who do not have = that=20 revelation, particularly if one has been persecuted for that=20 revelation.
 
So we see that many Baptists = regard tongues=20 as being "of the Devil" and so we go.
 
This is compounded because, many = times,=20 Satan has counterfeited things, like tongues and many tongues ARE from = the=20 devil.  So people see a demonic manifestation, conclude that all = such=20 tongues are of the devil and the next thing they are condemning their = brothers=20 and sisters in Christ and grievously hurting our precious = Saviour!
 
This is why we are told = in Matthew=20 7:1-5 (and Luke 6:37)
1 "Judge not, that you be not=20 judged.
2 "For with what judgment you judge, you will be judged; = and=20 with the measure you use, it will be measured back to = you.
3 "And why do=20 you look at the speck in your brother's eye, but do not consider the = plank in=20 your own eye?
4 "Or how can you say to your brother, 'Let me = remove the=20 speck from your eye'; and look, a plank is in your own=20 eye?
5 "Hypocrite! First remove the plank from your own eye, and = then=20 you will see clearly to remove the speck out of your brother's eye.=20 (NKJ)
 
What makes this more difficult, is = that we=20 often do not recognize our brothers in Christ because of the factors = mentioned=20 above.
 
1 Corinthians 13:4-8 tells=20 us:
4 Love suffers long and is kind; love does not envy; = love does=20 not parade itself, is not puffed up;
5 does not behave rudely, = does not=20 seek its own, is not provoked, thinks no = evil;
6 does=20 not rejoice in iniquity, but rejoices in the truth;
7 bears all = things,=20 believes all things, hopes all things, endures all = things.
8 Love never=20 fails. .... (NKJ)
 
In the Amplified, verse 7 is = translated=20 to say ".... is ever ready to believe = the best=20 of every person ...."
 
Taking these scriptures in the = context of=20 the earlier remarks, I am constantly enjoined by the Spirit to seek = the=20 truth that any person has and to build on that rather than to see the = error that=20 they have and tear down with that.
 
There is good in every person and = God will=20 build with whatever good that there is.  Satan, the accuser of = the=20 brethren, will on the other hand, look for areas of difference, error, = sin, etc,=20 and judge and condemn and cast out.
 
Where is this leading = us?
 
One = of the=20 biggest challenges facing the church today, probably the biggest, is to = see ALL=20 denominations reconciled into a SINGLE = BODY!
 
Having said that, it is important = to=20 recognize that Revelation 2 and 3 defines seven different church = personalities=20 and it does seem to me that those seven will endure to the end BUT, = those who=20 overcome will NOT be part of any specific one of the seven AND many will = not be=20 part of the remnant at all.  Thus the challenge persists BUT we = have to=20 remember that it is God who judges, NOT man, in terms of who is a member = of the=20 Body of Christ and who is not.
 
Thus we find that since there has = been and=20 remains so much error in the Roman Catholic church, dating back to the = Counsel=20 of Trent in about 315 AD, that there are enormous differences between = those of=20 Catholic heritage and those of Protestant.  I hardly need to tell = you that=20 (smile).
 
BUT, this IS leading to a solution = which I=20 profoundly believe WILL work since if we do it God's way and NOT our own = "amateurish" (smile) way, success is inevitable!
 
Part of the answer is contained = in 1=20 Corinthians 12:3
3 Therefore I make known to you that no one = speaking by the Spirit of God calls Jesus accursed, and no one can say = that=20 Jesus is Lord except by the Holy Spirit. (NKJ)

Mark = 9:38-40
38 Now John=20 answered Him, saying, "Teacher, we saw someone who does not follow us = casting=20 out demons in Your name, and we forbade him because he does not follow=20 us."
39 But Jesus said, "Do not forbid him, for no one who works = a=20 miracle in My name can soon afterward speak evil of Me.
40 "For = he who=20 is not against us is on our side. (NKJ)
 
From this it can be concluded that anyone who has a relationship = with Jesus=20 and recognizes His Name, is part of the Body!
 
HOWEVER, things get complicated just = now=20 (smile).
 
As pointed out in a number of previous mails, Jesus was a = Jew.
 
Jesus is the Anglicization of the Greek word Iesous=20 (ee-ay-sooce') (2424) which Strong defines as follows "of Hebrew origin = [3091];=20 Jesus (i.e. Jehoshua), the name of our Lord and two (three) other = Israelites:=20 KJV-- Jesus.
 
Thayer defines 2424  Iesous- :
Jesus =3D "Jehovah (Yahweh) is salvation"
1) Joshua was the = famous=20 captain of the Israelites, Moses' successor
2) Jesus, son of = Eliezer, one of=20 the ancestors of Christ
3) Jesus, the Son of God, the Savior of = mankind, God=20 incarnate
4) Jesus Barabbas was the captive robber whom the Jews = begged=20 Pilate to release instead of Jesus Christ
5) Jesus, surnamed Justus, = a=20 Jewish Christian, an associate with Paul in the preaching of the = gospel
 
Those who have searched out the true Hebrew / Aramaic spelling and=20 Anglicization of the name they think was actually applied to Jesus = (remember,=20 the oldest manuscripts are about 500 years after His death) think that = the=20 correct Anglicization based on sounds, etc is either Yahshua, Yehshua, = of half a=20 dozen other derivatives - I have recently started using Yahshua after = praying=20 for two years prior to moving away from Jesus, remembering that = the  LORD=20 GOD, the Father's true name is Yahweh (or YHWH if you prefer).
 
What is important here is that if one is Greek then "Iesous" may = have some=20 relevance BUT, if Yahshua's name is, indeed Yahshua and not some of the = other=20 derivatives, in other words, it is NOT the same word as Thayer and many = others=20 allege as is used for others in scripture but that it WAS, in fact a = derivative=20 of Yahweh (the Fathers name) a seemingly semantic point which was = possibly not=20 even evident when the name was spoken, only when it was written, = then the gap between Yahshua and Yeshua, Iesous, Jesus, = etc is the=20 gap between heaven and earth!!
 
Why is this important?
 
IN THE CONTEXT OF THIS DISCOURSE I BELIEVE IT MAY BE = CRITICAL!
 
Since we can see clearly that Jesus is not in any meaningful way an = accurate Anglicization of Yahshua's real name, then it CAN (and is) be = argued=20 that the man we call Jesus Christ CANNOT POSSIBLY be the Messiah of = Israel!!
 
The consequence of this conclusion is = that GOD=20 HAS EXTENDED ENORMOUS GRACE TO US IN OUR = IGNORANCE!!
 
This being the case, how much more must we extend grace to those = who cannot=20 believe that Jesus Christ can be the Messiah?  Technically, we have = just=20 seen that they are PERFECTLY CORRECT, we are only able to appropriate = and use a=20 name which in no way approximates His real name, in the same way that we = use=20 "the LORD" instead of Yahweh, because of the ABUNDANT MERCY AND GRACE OF = GOD!!
 
It seems to me that many may not consciously be aware of this truth = BUT, in=20 their hearts they are.  At the same time, most Jews and most = Moslems ARE=20 AWARE OF THIS - they know that Messiah will never be a Greek and they = know that=20 Yahweh will never call His Messiah a Greek name!  Note that Allah = is Arabic=20 for God.  There may be an idol in Mecca but NOT all Moslems worship = the=20 idol!
 
Where does this leave us with the case in point?
 
Well, as I see it, you, as a Pentecostal / Charismatic believer in = the man=20 you know as the Lord Jesus Christ, have a large amount of truth = regarding=20 various aspects of who He is and what He has commanded.  = And you=20 believe passionately in those truths (smile).  Ipso facto in terms = of what=20 I have said above, you also have an enormous amount of error - NOT = because there=20 is anything wrong with you or with your church or your family or your = pastor or=20 anything, simply because that is the state of play today.  By my = estimate=20 today, a really devout believer may have about 1% of all of God's truth = and most=20 probably have a minute fraction of 1%, it may be the fraction that will = get them=20 to heaven but it is unlikely to get them much beyond the outer darkness = and is=20 certainly unlikely to get them to a high throne.  (if you have not = read the=20 Final Quest by Rick Joyner from cover to cover, you need to do so as a = matter of=20 extreme urgency - I would go so far as to say that if you read no other = book=20 this year READ THAT ONE!)
 
Consequently, the other party in this = situation, also probably has about some small fraction of=20 1%.
 
Notwithstanding this, most believers, if asked, would probably rate = themselves a lot higher than the above ratings, simply because we do not = know=20 what we do not know.  Take the example of the other sheep folds = used=20 above.  There are groups who have researched this and written = considerable=20 volumes on it.  Assuming those volumes contain some truth on the = subject,=20 one could spend days just seeking to read what has been written and = years=20 seeking to sift out a meaningful understanding of THAT ONE VERSE!  = And=20 there are a lot of verses in the Bible!  And the Jews maintain that = every=20 verse has SEVENTY FACETS!  And there are many who maintain there = are books=20 missing!
 
So, my fraction of a percent starts to look very optimistic.
 
Notwithstanding, there is a VERY = SMALL portion=20 of the Bible which really dictates the outcome in terms of eternal = salvation or=20 eternal damnation BUT it is lost in the other = stuff.  =20 Most are so busy fighting about tongues, immersion, other sheep folds, = "priest"=20 vs "father" vs "pastor" vs "reverend" vs none of the above, etc, etc, = etc that=20 they lose sight of the core message.  AND they=20 allow these things to divide the Body!
 
And then, because most don't know consciously that He cannot be = actually=20 called Jesus Christ but must be some derivative of Yahshua Messiah, they = get=20 into strife there if nothing else can be found to divide!
 
IT REALLY IS A MIRACLE IF ANYONE IS = GETTING TO=20 HEAVEN AT THIS TIME!  THAT IS THE GRACE OF GOD PAR=20 EXCELLENCE! (smile)
 
To return to the case in point.  The Holy Spirit has, in = recent weeks,=20 been opening my eyes to see a little of the truths that the Catholic = believers=20 have.  I don't have a clear revelation but, perhaps, if you take = what is=20 written in this mail to heart and apply it, you may be able to report = back to me=20 in days to come (smile)
 
What He has shown me is a profound revelation of laying down one's = life in=20 prayer and intercession for others, a profound revelation of dying to = self and=20 counting self as of no consequence, a profound revelation of "come ye = apart and=20 be separate" and a profound revelation of self abasement and = humility.
 
I don't say that ALL Catholics have this revelation and I don't say = that=20 this is the only revelation they have.
 
He has also shown me Catholic people who at the age of five or = seven made=20 profound commitments to Jesus while praying, sometimes holding a candle = AND He=20 has permitted me on several occasions to experience His deep love and = compassion=20 for those people.  All that I have been privileged to meet have = been=20 severely beaten up by Satan BECAUSE they made a deep and enduring = commitment to=20 Jesus but were so woefully ignorant of the rest of scripture BECAUSE = they were=20 denied the right to read the Bible for themselves, etc, etc that Satan = has taken=20 them apart.
 
I have recently ministered over the internet to two women in the = USA who in=20 the Catholic faith made really deep commitments to Jesus at an early age = and=20 then were taken apart by Satan for decades, one into prostitution, = raped,=20 abused, etc for decades, the other into Satanism, etc.  BUT at the = end,=20 Yahshua has been faithful and preserved them and brought them to a place = where=20 they may have a deeper knowledge of him.  Both are still deeply = wounded and=20 one recently gave up the battle and lost her salvation.  = It IS TRAGIC but it also provides an object lesson in = how deeply=20 many Catholics, lost in a deep pit of darkness and deception, have clung = to one=20 of the few truths that REALLY MATTER, "their Jesus"!  And THAT IS=20 BEAUTIFUL!
 
BUT don't tell them they have to be "born again", "baptized in = water", etc,=20 etc - they have been fed all sorts of lies and somehow, deep within, = many of=20 them know that they know that they know that they have a personal = relationship=20 with the Living God and His Son Jesus and they are QUITE CORRECT!  = Also,=20 don't tell them about all the wrong things the Catholic Church has done = over the=20 centuries, or that the "Pope is the Beast", etc, etc - that is the bad = news of=20 Satan, NOT the Gospel of God.  So, = when a well=20 meaning Pentecostal Christian tells them that they are not saved, there = is=20 something within them that tells them NOT SO!! with great passion and = great=20 conviction.
 
We have to recognize that "born = again" is a=20 spiritual state, it is NOT an academic label.  Just = because=20 someone does not accept the label or even the description "born again" = in this=20 age, it does not mean that they have not at some time had an experience = that has=20 resulted in Yahshua the Messiah, a God whose name they may not know nor = be able=20 to articulate, coming to dwell within them.  In fact, they may well = have a=20 much deeper personal relationship with and knowledge of the Saviour than = the=20 person who is debating semantics regarding being "born again" etc but = whose life=20 does not attest of a deep personal knowledge of, and relationship with, = the Lord=20 of lord's and King of king's!
 
It is an immense challenge, but, if you want = to move=20 away from "I continue to try to = minister to her=20 in my own amateurish way" to reaching her heart and finding the common = love that=20 you both have for the Saviour, please consider what is presented=20 above!
 
By the Spirit I must say to you = that two=20 years ago when we stayed with you, I saw in ..... a depth of = understanding=20 of certain things I said that entirely escaped you!  I don't mean = to be=20 offensive, only to tell you truth.  She has a depth of spiritual=20 understanding and an intimate relationship with Him on a dimension and = plane=20 that most will not understand.  She may not consider herself to be = "born=20 again" according to your understanding, but I testify to you today by = the Spirit=20 of the Living God that SHE IS!
 
She also loves you deeply in a way = that you=20 will find few woman to love you and you do yourself and her a grave = injustice by=20 not finding the common ground that Yahweh has preserved between the two = of=20 you.  He showed me clearly when we visited with you that He had = brought the=20 two of you together, but He also showed me that you had much to learn = before=20 that would come to pass.
 
I leave you with this parting = thought. =20 Will you humble yourself and repent of trying to convert her to your = Jesus and=20 ask her forgiveness and seek to know the Jesus that SHE knows and, as = you learn=20 to open herself to her truths, will you learn to let go of that which = you have=20 which is not of Him and come to a place where she can receive from = you? =20 That you may share the many truths which you DO have which she=20 lacks!
 
Above all things, remember Ephesians = 5:25=20 "Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ also loved the church and = gave=20 Himself for her," (NKJ)
 
This is a PROFOUND injunction to every man who calls himself by the = name of=20 Christ.  Yahshua does not screen us before we come to Him, He = accepts us as=20 we are and then He gently leads us to the place where the disciplining = of the=20 Father and the comforting and counseling of the Holy Spirit draw us ever = closer=20 to Him IF we will seek Him!  So must it be with our wives!
 
There is no such thing as an unsuitable wife, there is only a = wife who=20 is a believer and appointed by Yahweh and a wife who is an unbeliever or = not=20 appointed by Yahweh.
 
There is only one question that every = man must=20 obtain an answer to when contemplating marriage -- "Is it the will of my = Father=20 in Heaven?"  There is NO OTHER question that has = any=20 relevance whatsoever!  That was the ONLY question that Ingrid and I = had to=20 answer!  It is the only question that you and ..... have to=20 answer.
 
If the answer to that question is YES, then DO IT!
 
And THEN, the set of teachings, "God's Plan for Healing Marriage in = the=20 Seventh Millennium" contain all that you need to know to experience = Heaven on=20 Earth in Marriage!  They are available in the USA if you need a = set.
 
God bless brother and MUCH LOVE!
 
For we are all one Body in Christ Jesus!
 
 
James
 
 
 
 
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